BadgerSense and other aftermarket discussion
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Oh, good! My BadgerSense has now shipped... and none too soon for sure, because Onewheeling today in the rain my high speed was 24.4mph! Oh, too! My TSG Carbon full face helmet with the clear face shield keeps the rain out of my face. Amusing to watch, Onewheeling on the paved trail from woods to open farm field the fresh wind blew all the droplets on the face shield in quick unison scurrying across near horizontally to the other side.
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@s-leon said in BadgerSense and other aftermarket discussion:
My TSG Carbon full face helmet with the clear face shield keeps the rain out of my face
Always a welcome bonus, my fave advantage though is keeping the damn flies out my face in Spring/Summer!
Eager to see how you get on with BadgerSense :)
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Oh my!My BadgerSense was delivered today -- only I won't be riding for a while -- I took another fall. This is very similar to when my original CarvePower kit arrived the same day I broke my wrist in a Onewheel fall over three years ago.
More details in the Whys of Falls thread.
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@s-leon Yikes! You gotta stop "improving" your ride! Hope you heal up quick.
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@lia said in BadgerSense and other aftermarket discussion:
my fave advantage though is keeping the damn flies out my face in Spring/Summer!
Ohhhh... i get it now.
lol if ur gonna get a full face helmet, it might as well have cat ears!
XR's got what plants crave!
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@notsure said in BadgerSense and other aftermarket discussion:
it might as well have cat ears!
Shield to keep the bugs off, ears to chase the mice away!
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BadgerSense installed... Seventeen mile maiden voyage completed... Forgot to take my phone to correlate data... Certainly was in the twenties in miles per hour... Often the BadgerSense display was reading half red -- which translates to using about 90% of possible power to draw... Twice I noticed I was at three-quarters red -- using 95% of available power... Note: No HUD BadgerSight display used here, just the board mounted LED display.
So far I am satisfied with the BadgerSense's performance. Adjustments I plan to make: Move the LED display strip to be more visible while riding. My initial placement was atop the kitchen stock pot fender sticking out at almost a 90 degree angle; I think a 30 or 40 degree angle toward the front would read better. Another adjustment to make is to mark key mph calibrations.
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@s-leon I skimmed through the previous posts, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't covered...
Was not trying a ChiGauge an option? It's definitely less expensive of the two. And as a way to monitor vsag impacting your ride. If you're not looking for the crazier/fancier features of the Badger Sense it's a good option, especially if you're not intending to use or leverage them.
I run the ChiGauge on my board, and feel like it does an adequate job in gauging what's left in the tank for me to push more if wanted. Although the BadgerSense is more aimed at being a training tool for those racing in my opinion.
"... We've been trying to reach you about abandoning the OW as a platform, and convert to EUCs."
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@samuraipunch -- Thank you for your input. It actually did not occur to me that the BadgerSense is really just a voltage gauge.
After four hard falls in the past 12 months -- one speed related -- the last thing I need is a fresh speed related nosedive on top of that. So far, the BadgerSense is giving me peace of mind that daily riding my modified Plus at over 20mph is not pulling overly hard on the EGO battery reservoir -- my only power. And the BadgerSense colorfully, visually informs me when I start drawing deeper and pushing limits.
I still have, and used to use a CarvePower voltage gauge, but the BadgerSense is easier to read as I ride. And while expensive, the BadgerSense is much cheaper than medical bills.
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@s-leon Yeah, I'll definitely give you that there are benefits of the BadgerSense over the ChiGauge for you. And obviously worth the justification for difference in price.
Although, for a little more, i believe there's a HUD accessory that you can add to the back of the wrist or something as well, if you didn't want to go the helmet route.
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Subtle, subtle! A few times now using the BadgerSense I have noticed the same phenomenon. Pushing the speed I will glance down and see red too close to the maximum for comfort. Then, simply relaxing the hard push, immediately the red backs off five or six notches. The speed has not yet reacted.
I think the power draw toward the max of the red at that point must be for the self-balancing — because relaxing the push on the sensor foot IMMEDIATELY reduces the draw, even though the speed has remained constant.
One other possibility is that without the push the motor relaxes to — for lack of better words — the low-power mode that Surfdado talks about in his consideration of achievable top speed.
The subtle but true reality is the observable, immediate fall of the red on the BadgerSense.
You snowboarders can probably relate to this idea: My daughter says that on snow the most fun is pushing right “to the edge of control.” While that applies somewhat to a Onewheel, in terms of overwhelming the battery that edge is sharply precipitous — on or off, black and white, there or not there.
Twenty and twenty-one miles per hour on my Onewheel Plus somehow seems slow to me now. Pushing harder feels more satisfying. Today at 23mph I looked down to see red within three notches of the top on the BadgerSense. My heart jumped! I prefer the reading to be 75% or less of the display to be red. And with the simple relaxation of the push, the red bounced right back down.
I am also seeing that nearer the end of a twelve or fourteen mile ride, with lower battery, the red seems more volatile — three quarters red up at twenty or twenty-one mph where mid-ride it would be that in the twenty-two or twenty-three range. And early ride seems almost invincible on the BadgerSense, except maybe in cases of hard acceleration.
And again the disclaimer that this above is on a Plus with no stock battery and no BMS — only a 10ah EGO battery connected via VnR and XT90 anti-spark connectors.
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My first impression using the BadgerSight HUD: It flashes red fairly easily -- and shows full red when the BadgerSense only shows maybe three-fourths red.
My conclusion is that the BadgerSense is the more refined measure. I did send a message to ask if the BadgerSight (or the BadgerSense) could be tuned, like the parameters for pushback can be programmed on a VESC.
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Apparently the display of the BadgerSight can be tuned or shifted -- and if I send it back, he will do it for me.
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@S-Leon said :
... BadgerSight HUD: It flashes red fairly easily -- and shows full red when the BadgerSense only shows maybe three-fourths red ...
I'm taking the raw guess, there are reasons for that.
Firstly - to give riders 'early' heads-up and buffertime. As LED strip red proportion from 3/4 onto 4/4 can go within a blink accordingly harsh situations.
Secondly - to overcome potential delays or communication hiccups between B.Sense & B.Sight. IF there's any at some minor extent?@S-Leon how far off you'd ideally shift the occurrence of RED light on BadgerSight HUD if that would be up to your own will? At seven-eighths on strip? :}
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@sirgu -- To flash red at three-fourths and to go full RED at seven-eights or even a bit higher would be my preference for the BadgerSight HUD for the style of Onewheeling I do -- flat Greenway with minor bumps, root ridges, and pavement imperfections.
On the BadgerWheel website on the BadgerSense instructions page it says that red is active on the BadgerSight HUD from 92% - 100% power. My preference, again for the way I ride, would shift that up to 96% or 97% for full RED.
I do like it that it seems to be able to be tuned -- and I wish I had access to the app to tune it myself!
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Woa, you're indeed pushing boundaries!
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@sirgu -- Shifting/setting the BadgerSight HUD up to 97% power does not seem to me to be as risky as it might seem to you.
The BadgerSense itself will still display red on the scale of 80%-100%, so in correlating the BadgerSight HUD with the BadgerSense, at least during the first few rides, means I would be watching both. Then, too, the BadgerSight HUD flashes red before it shows full RED, so there is warning that I would be approaching the limit. And, I have seen my BadgerSense LED display briefly shoot red up to 97% with no ill effects -- not even a hint of a nose-feint.
Onewheeling with reckless abandon, and an attitude of "De'l may care..." is NOT me. I enjoy life and Onewheeling too much to care to be sidelined.
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Sent back in, BadgerTuned, and back to me, I must say the new tuning on my BadgerSight HUD seems perfect! I have been using it with the new tuning, shifting the RED up, for a week or more now, and the readings seem just right for me. The RED occurs when I should take notice, and not before. Now when it lights up RED momentarily my heart jumps, and feels alive!
A better placement of the BadgerSense display for me is sticking out in front of the board, rather than on the rail. To mount it there I drilled a small hole in the front wood of the leading footpad, bent a piece of heavy galvanized wire over double -- so it is not sharp to poke anything -- stuck it in the hole, and clipped the BadgerSense LED display to it. So far, no issues with it.
My BadgerStaff has become a BadgerWand with the HUD attached using the wrist band. The wand is shorter than the staff, easier to handle, and with less wind resistance. It is still made of the same rigid insulation foam -- so it won't hurt to fall on.
I am also finding that monitoring the BadgerSight and the BadgerSense displays is easier when using my more open snowboard helmet, rather than the TSG full-face. And the constant awareness and monitoring should keep me from falling due to an overdrawn battery.
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On the OneDanXR this is how I have the BadgerSense mounted sticking out the front. And this is about as much RED as I usually care to see -- although I have seen it full RED momentarily a couple times with no crash. This photo is a little misleading as the RED is high because I was accelerating some at 22 mph. Top speed on that ride was 22.5 mph; my overall top speed on the OneDanXR is 23.6 mph. With smooth, gentle riding at 22 mph the RED is generally only a little over half. The paper clips hold the LED strip to the haywire armature.
Edit: My top speeds keep edging up. On both the OneDanXR and on my Leaderboard Plus, in wonderful weather today I set new highs on both: 23.7 mph and 23.9 mph respectively. It is interesting to me that my top speeds on both of my Onewheel Pluses are slightly higher than on the OneDanXR.
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@s-leon said in BadgerSense and other aftermarket discussion:
I have seen it full RED
Yikes! Way cool though that you can push it and yet know you still have some, no matter how little, left before a potential crash.
Ever have it mostly red and see an obstacle or bump coming up and have to slow down quickly to compensate?
