Just wondering... Because you know you want a concave footpad that you can trust, as FM can't get it right. It's hard to believe that there are still so many reports of GT's ghosting on people.

You gib, i fix, deal?

... That's all I got after seeing that board.

@swinefeaster I didn't read all of the thread, in skimming through though... From what I've heard, the earlier versions of the JWFFM are... problematic, to put it nicely. Although this tends to be from more of the different versions, and different fw variations out there. Which is why it seems hit or miss for some people, as the combination of hw and fw of the chip to the board it's used in. This could be your issue... but then again, I don't really have a high level of trust/faith in it.

For some of the boards I flipped, and people were wanting it, I steered them away, or said I wouldn't do it, and if they wanted to pay extra for it. I wouldn't "warranty" it.

Looking forward to the Floatwheel torpedos... Wonder if they learned anything from the GT front concave footpads...

Must simp for @Lia , first and only rule!

@lia You know... For the right amount of counter-simping I could be convinced to send you my WTFs when I get my Varials. ;)

@lia @Swinefeaster OWIE depending on which fork you use offers more compatibility, although there've been some reports of it not working right. I'd say that there are less issues than with the JWFFM chip though, although requires a few extra steps like compiling and flashing the chip.

But for this "hassle" you get a lot more functionality that isn't available either in app (OW FM, OWCE-which you really wouldn't need to use). You're mostly using the chip's web portal to update/configure it. But one of the things you do get is the ability to lock your board and it otherwise responds like a bricked board throwing an Error 16 and won't boot.

I'd recommend using OWIE over JWFFM, and had it been available when I was board flipping, it's what I would have recommended/used.

Your post/comments about the platysense... Make it seem even more dubious of a product once you wash away the landsurf hype. Early versions of it had the sensor go to the edges. From what you're describing it's as if they made the sensor area smaller. Likely as a result of the sensor sticking on, similar to the GT foot pads.

So, I'm still the only person with a full-size foot pad sensor with front concave... With the exception of the handful I've built/sold, and the others that have built their own similar transplant deck.

@lemur Oh wow, that's new... I knew originally that you had to build/compile it to flash it... Maybe something changed with the licensing/github to allow it to be ready to flash, or they decided to just ship it ready to flash. Haven't really been paying attention to OWIE since i left the OW discord.

Yes... Cancel the GT. :D Although, I really do kind of want to see you, or someone try and ride the XS.

How the narrative of issues still plaguing it is a bit disturbing. It really makes me question the possible successors, and voltage increase may go.

Like what will happen when FM tries going from th e 75V to 100V or more like with what we're seeing in the EUC market. Granted, FM could step up incrementally, but I think there's going to be a performance aspect being chased too in time; where maybe a handful of volts won't be enough.

Kingsong went from 84V to 126V in the S22, and it resulted in a battery fire from poor design and implementation of safety measures. It could be said that they didn't have the experience for higher voltage wheels. Whereas Gotway who was well known for their own battery fire issues with certain battery packs has for the most part shaken that stigma with the transition to Begode, but has also incrementally increased voltages without significant resulting battery fires.

The OW's board form factor/sizing will have to likely suffer as a result of chasing higher voltages though. Unless there's new cell technology/chemistry introduced that's effective at a reasonable price.

Most of the "bearing seals" that are being sold now are just 3d printed covers, that cover the exterior seal and bearing race...

The earlier versions of badger seals, used an actual bearing seal/cup from SKF, and then some 3d printed pieces. That you needed to put onto/around the axle, and is tensioned with a spring to the axle; unlike the "no disassembly required" ones now. You'd fill this with grease, and it'd keep the cup against the race and seal. IMO it's a better design as the grease stays cleaner.

Looking forward to the Floatwheel torpedos... Wonder if they learned anything from the GT front concave footpads...

Must simp for @Lia , first and only rule!

FFM sentiments still hold. FM can grow up, and take the hit for being the company they are; instead of relying on a community to help them, when all they've done is try to oppress them.

BAN THE OW!!! LET FM BURN!!! 🔥⛽️🔥

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Your post/comments about the platysense... Make it seem even more dubious of a product once you wash away the landsurf hype. Early versions of it had the sensor go to the edges. From what you're describing it's as if they made the sensor area smaller. Likely as a result of the sensor sticking on, similar to the GT foot pads.

So, I'm still the only person with a full-size foot pad sensor with front concave... With the exception of the handful I've built/sold, and the others that have built their own similar transplant deck.

FM encases BMS and battery in epoxy...

@lia Are your pants inside out or something? ... The hem is bothering me, and suggests that they're inside out.

@agyas You can change the battery in a PX... but why and how? There isn't anyone making replacement batteries for them to my knowledge. And it's not like there's a better battery option either. It's so crammed full already, noone's going to figure out an impossible way to put 15 more 18650's in it. The only other option would be to use 21700's but you'd go from a 15S2P to a 15S1P for that, and effectively have a Pint w/ a Quart battery; basically half the range.

I'd still try to return it, or resell it when it comes back.

@NotSure I don't see why you couldn't wire up a different/vesc compatible plug/harness from OWIE to a lil f'er... Although if you did, you don't really need the bms/controller communication... Besides your board/bms management would mostly be done through OWIE, and charging would probably look like a VNR setup into the BMS, so it should balance as well... I'm pretty sure there are some kits that maintain the FM BMS, and replace everything else

@agyas If you're in the EU you should be fine to drop it off at the retailer for "warranty". Although, they'll really serve as an in-between and ship it off to FM more than likely. You may be able to use the EU's stronger warranty laws to your benefit, in that it's defective. There's no if ands, or buts to it. PX has a flawed design that bites people. You got bit. Since basically NO RETAILER services OWs that's an authorized dealer, you'll be out a board if you intend to keep it.

The XR is kinda meh imo, it's past its prime as your retailer likely has 4212's, and that limits your battery upgrade options down the line if you become interested. Otherwise it's ok...

The PX is a shit show in the battery compartment. All as a result of forcing a second set parallel set of batteries in. That the wiring and space management are causing problems due to cutting/stretching the wires in the various harnesses.

Return it, and get your money back. As it's a faulty design and implementation that has dramatic hardware failure as its consequence.