BadgerSense and other aftermarket discussion
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I watched another BadgerSense video, this one by Nico Aleman -- highly respected rider and commentor. He says he likes it a lot, and is using the BadgerSense to hone Onewheel racing skills -- trying to ride in the yellow/orange, not quite at the edge of the red. He says it is surprisingly difficult to do, and that a lot of the time pushing the board there is more depth of battery available than he would have guessed.
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Oh! And I saw that Matt Donatello, the rider who posted the first video that I linked above, did not keep his BadgerSense. It did not fit his style of riding (or something similar to that) he said. (Edit: Actually Matt Donatello said he was getting false readings; in reply Robert Allen said that recent versions have tweaked software to rectify low speed "coasting" readings -- and seems to have worked with Matt to Matt's satisfaction.)
Still thinking about it, I am. Riding relaxedly on Saturday I was still over 20mph with my Plus. Closely reading the Q&A's on the Badgerwheel website I see that BadgerSense will work with a Plus, as well as XRs, and that it will work with "any battery."
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Hmmm... Having see-sawed on this decision a long time, I think I definitely will order a BadgerSense in the near future -- because riding my Ignite Lifted Plus today in two sessions with two different 10ah EGO batteries, I hit high speeds of 23.4 mph and 23.2 mph without trying. And my high on my Kiil Suspension Plus is similar, 23.5 mph.
These speeds up and over 20 mph just feel good and natural to me, not seeming like I am pushing right to the edge of an abyss. Wind in my face I have been tempted to coax a little more out of the board. However, am I dancing like with abandon and courting disaster? The BadgersSense should tell me whether I am experiencing a false sense of security, or whether I really am within the board and battery's limits.
And the cost? Yes, expensive...
But -- from experience -- not as much as doctors and hospital visits cost.Edit: My BadgerSense is now ordered, Thursday evening, March 17, 2022.
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@s-leon I agree, might be a worthwhile investment just to make sure you can empirically see when you're approaching a danger zone.
I'm in awe that you can comfortably ride 20+mph, very impressive :) I used to hit that point but after my first accident I instinctively never seem to break 18mph even when I'm not paying attention.
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One other, hopefully minor, issue with installing BadgerSense is the rail obstruction of the Ignite Lift Kit or the Kiil Suspension. I think I will need to add a "false rail" surface somehow on which to mount the LED indicator strip.
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One of the reasons I have now ordered the BadgerSense is to keep me out of trouble with speed. In the meantime, while I await its delivery, I have come up with a method to slow myself down. Stacking two dense eight pounds each EGO 10ah batteries on top of each other strapped on the wooden fender of my Ignite Lifted Plus on top of the Skyjacker rails makes it FEEL like I am right at the edge of control at several miles per hour less.
Side story: When I was young and had little means I drove a rattletrap 1963 VW Bug. Living in Colorado in the 1980's I would leave the sunroof open all the time, because in the rare rains the rainwater would simply leak and pour out of the rusted holes in the floor. In that car seventy miles per hour really FELT FAST and exciting!!!
Some years before that I had a little ten year old, featherweight 1965 Honda S90 (Street 90) motorbike which could reach 70mph on the straight and level with 140lb. me riding it -- and that FELT really FAST and exciting, too!!! One dark night on a country road the headlight burned out probably at about 50mph -- pitch black!!! Oh my! Simply let off the throttle I did, knowing the road was going straight there. Another time the clutch cable broke at the handle... So, I wrapped it around my fist, pulling to change gears in Los Angeles.
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@s-leon said :
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Edit: My BadgerSense is now ordered, Thursday evening, March 17, 2022.I am so living up with your investment! Expect me to question a lot of silly Q's 'bout it once you've set it up with your routine.
I think I'm somewhat overcome of obsession on getting one in 'near future'.
(offtopic part: Mainly due to my phone and XR started co-operating via OG app and OWCE rather recently. FINALLY! Well that's a long story.)
But for this time only. Let's say for this season. The next winter I'll most likely come back to BadgerSense for good ... hoping the BadgerSight forms into somewhat smaller version in meantime. Or both physically smaller - to leave more variety of options for mounting next to the other necessary things.@S-Leon did you ordered BadgerSight v1.0 along with it?
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@sirgu -- Hi, I will be happy to share my experience. No, I did not order the BadgerSight -- I figure on the long, straight, near-empty-of-other-trail-users Rails-to-Trails I like to ride I can get by without it. Besides, I like the richer information that the BadgerSense LED strip displays better. So far, no word on the ship date.
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Oh, good! My BadgerSense has now shipped... and none too soon for sure, because Onewheeling today in the rain my high speed was 24.4mph! Oh, too! My TSG Carbon full face helmet with the clear face shield keeps the rain out of my face. Amusing to watch, Onewheeling on the paved trail from woods to open farm field the fresh wind blew all the droplets on the face shield in quick unison scurrying across near horizontally to the other side.
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@s-leon said in BadgerSense and other aftermarket discussion:
My TSG Carbon full face helmet with the clear face shield keeps the rain out of my face
Always a welcome bonus, my fave advantage though is keeping the damn flies out my face in Spring/Summer!
Eager to see how you get on with BadgerSense :)
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Oh my!My BadgerSense was delivered today -- only I won't be riding for a while -- I took another fall. This is very similar to when my original CarvePower kit arrived the same day I broke my wrist in a Onewheel fall over three years ago.
More details in the Whys of Falls thread.
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@s-leon Yikes! You gotta stop "improving" your ride! Hope you heal up quick.
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@lia said in BadgerSense and other aftermarket discussion:
my fave advantage though is keeping the damn flies out my face in Spring/Summer!
Ohhhh... i get it now.
lol if ur gonna get a full face helmet, it might as well have cat ears!
XR's got what plants crave!
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@notsure said in BadgerSense and other aftermarket discussion:
it might as well have cat ears!
Shield to keep the bugs off, ears to chase the mice away!
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BadgerSense installed... Seventeen mile maiden voyage completed... Forgot to take my phone to correlate data... Certainly was in the twenties in miles per hour... Often the BadgerSense display was reading half red -- which translates to using about 90% of possible power to draw... Twice I noticed I was at three-quarters red -- using 95% of available power... Note: No HUD BadgerSight display used here, just the board mounted LED display.
So far I am satisfied with the BadgerSense's performance. Adjustments I plan to make: Move the LED display strip to be more visible while riding. My initial placement was atop the kitchen stock pot fender sticking out at almost a 90 degree angle; I think a 30 or 40 degree angle toward the front would read better. Another adjustment to make is to mark key mph calibrations.
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@s-leon I skimmed through the previous posts, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't covered...
Was not trying a ChiGauge an option? It's definitely less expensive of the two. And as a way to monitor vsag impacting your ride. If you're not looking for the crazier/fancier features of the Badger Sense it's a good option, especially if you're not intending to use or leverage them.
I run the ChiGauge on my board, and feel like it does an adequate job in gauging what's left in the tank for me to push more if wanted. Although the BadgerSense is more aimed at being a training tool for those racing in my opinion.
"... We've been trying to reach you about abandoning the OW as a platform, and convert to EUCs."
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@samuraipunch -- Thank you for your input. It actually did not occur to me that the BadgerSense is really just a voltage gauge.
After four hard falls in the past 12 months -- one speed related -- the last thing I need is a fresh speed related nosedive on top of that. So far, the BadgerSense is giving me peace of mind that daily riding my modified Plus at over 20mph is not pulling overly hard on the EGO battery reservoir -- my only power. And the BadgerSense colorfully, visually informs me when I start drawing deeper and pushing limits.
I still have, and used to use a CarvePower voltage gauge, but the BadgerSense is easier to read as I ride. And while expensive, the BadgerSense is much cheaper than medical bills.
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@s-leon Yeah, I'll definitely give you that there are benefits of the BadgerSense over the ChiGauge for you. And obviously worth the justification for difference in price.
Although, for a little more, i believe there's a HUD accessory that you can add to the back of the wrist or something as well, if you didn't want to go the helmet route.
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Subtle, subtle! A few times now using the BadgerSense I have noticed the same phenomenon. Pushing the speed I will glance down and see red too close to the maximum for comfort. Then, simply relaxing the hard push, immediately the red backs off five or six notches. The speed has not yet reacted.
I think the power draw toward the max of the red at that point must be for the self-balancing — because relaxing the push on the sensor foot IMMEDIATELY reduces the draw, even though the speed has remained constant.
One other possibility is that without the push the motor relaxes to — for lack of better words — the low-power mode that Surfdado talks about in his consideration of achievable top speed.
The subtle but true reality is the observable, immediate fall of the red on the BadgerSense.
You snowboarders can probably relate to this idea: My daughter says that on snow the most fun is pushing right “to the edge of control.” While that applies somewhat to a Onewheel, in terms of overwhelming the battery that edge is sharply precipitous — on or off, black and white, there or not there.
Twenty and twenty-one miles per hour on my Onewheel Plus somehow seems slow to me now. Pushing harder feels more satisfying. Today at 23mph I looked down to see red within three notches of the top on the BadgerSense. My heart jumped! I prefer the reading to be 75% or less of the display to be red. And with the simple relaxation of the push, the red bounced right back down.
I am also seeing that nearer the end of a twelve or fourteen mile ride, with lower battery, the red seems more volatile — three quarters red up at twenty or twenty-one mph where mid-ride it would be that in the twenty-two or twenty-three range. And early ride seems almost invincible on the BadgerSense, except maybe in cases of hard acceleration.
And again the disclaimer that this above is on a Plus with no stock battery and no BMS — only a 10ah EGO battery connected via VnR and XT90 anti-spark connectors.
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My first impression using the BadgerSight HUD: It flashes red fairly easily -- and shows full red when the BadgerSense only shows maybe three-fourths red.
My conclusion is that the BadgerSense is the more refined measure. I did send a message to ask if the BadgerSight (or the BadgerSense) could be tuned, like the parameters for pushback can be programmed on a VESC.
