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    XR Error 21 (repaired)

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    • Lia
      Lia GT XR Pint Plus V1 DIY @stinkyface last edited by

      @stinkyface Congrats on the repair! Reflowing isn’t nearly as easy as they make it look on YT.

      Funny side note, a few years ago I absolutely toasted a Toshiba laptop that had a lifted CPU… but because I’m a moron I used a heatgun @400c and some tin foil to try protect the rest of the board from the heat.
      That day I learnt what popcorning a pcb looked like.

      Since then I got myself the right tools for some reflowing. CPU reflowing is still out of my league.

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      • Lia
        Lia GT XR Pint Plus V1 DIY last edited by

        I have spent this entire time trying to find where the LED drivers get their power from.
        Thought I already checked this but apparently not since I accidentally discovered they're driven straight off the main battery rail. I am omega dumb.

        I now somehow have to figure how Batt+ reaches an of the vias on the LED side
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        Can't go to that pad for D5 since there is no surface trace leading to it or a via under it to connect to.

        Presumably the 4 blue traces going vertical between them route differently but I can't see a valid way to move them in a way that exposes a direct path between them. I imagine there is a sensible pathing that's just been clouded by my existing guesses, sort of like trying to solve a Sudoku by guessing a few numbers that later comes back to haunt you on the last few empty squares.

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        • Lia
          Lia GT XR Pint Plus V1 DIY last edited by Lia

          Still can't quite sus that routing so I'll sit on it a bit longer. In the meantime I've created a key down in the bottom with links to datasheets for each chip I've been able to identify.

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          Q1 - Q6 : IRF7759
          U1 - U2 : ACS781xLR
          U3 : LM5007
          U4 : TI 78LO5A
          U5 : HIP4086ABZ
          U6 : LVC541A
          U7 : LF33A
          U8 : ILT254S (CC2541)
          U9 : STM32F103VB
          U10 : LSM330DLC
          U11 : N/A
          U12 : N/A
          U13 - U16 : LM3402
          U17 : VP1781

          Edit : Thanks to ChunkDunkerson for U1- U3

          Thinking of posting this on Reddit and seeing if anyone's got any ideas on U1-U3 and suggestions on the last missing traces. Nevermind I posted it anyway :)


          EDIT : This has been continued in another thread


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            NotSure XR Pint @Lia last edited by

            @lia said in XR Error 21:

            ChunkDunkerson

            lmao

            XR's got what plants crave!

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            • b0ardski
              b0ardski last edited by

              so what was the final solution to end error 21? new lightbars?

              carving turns all year round

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              • Lia
                Lia GT XR Pint Plus V1 DIY @b0ardski last edited by

                @b0ardski Nothing yet, still sitting waiting for me to pick it up again. I'm going to remove the LED drivers to see if that fixes this one since the error occurs even when nothing is connected.

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                • b0ardski
                  b0ardski @Lia last edited by

                  @lia isn't there a chip added to the 4209 after 4208 to defeat charge n ride? was thinking that was a likely issue.

                  carving turns all year round

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                  • Lia
                    Lia GT XR Pint Plus V1 DIY @b0ardski last edited by

                    @b0ardski They added some extra bits, this is what I've seen when comparing a 4206 to my 4208.
                    Here's a comparison I did on the former forum when doing the E16 issue.
                    Onewheel XR Charger Input.jpg
                    Apparently removing R34 restores the function on later revisions.

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                    • Lia
                      Lia GT XR Pint Plus V1 DIY last edited by Lia

                      Don't you just hate it when you dink about and things just work? Not even any smoke?

                      Figured I'd give the LED drivers a bit of heat in case something wasn't connected up right. I don't know if that was it or I accidentally fixed it while probing it for hours but she lives!
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                      Nothing proper to hook up so piggybacked off my charger and soldered some leads onto Batt+ and Batt-
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                      Still gives E16 but that's kind of a given since it's only the brains.
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                      Guess it now needs a body. Another project?
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                      • b0ardski
                        b0ardski @Lia last edited by

                        @lia a few parts here a few there and ... maybe a growler to stretch the quiver.
                        that doesn't help me much though I don't have your magic touch with electronics and I'm all thumbs with a solder iron or voltmeter probe. maybee I can hook up test power with the spare harness plugged in instead of soldering on the leads?

                        carving turns all year round

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                        • b0ardski
                          b0ardski @Lia last edited by

                          @lia said in XR Error 21 (repaired):

                          @b0ardski They added some extra bits, this is what I've seen when comparing a 4206 to my 4208.
                          Here's a comparison I did on the former forum when doing the E16 issue.
                          Onewheel XR Charger Input.jpg
                          Apparently removing R34 restores the function on later revisions.

                          so just removing that resister would allow charge n ride on the 4209? I like that Idea.

                          carving turns all year round

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                          • Lia
                            Lia GT XR Pint Plus V1 DIY @b0ardski last edited by

                            @b0ardski said in XR Error 21 (repaired):

                            maybee I can hook up test power with the spare harness plugged in instead of soldering on the leads?

                            That would be my first step if the board still errors with the headlights removed. Take out the controller with nothing attached, not even the charge port or power button just for good measure.

                            If you can then feed power into the harness with as little else connected as possible we can see if the issue remains. If it goes away we can start connecting parts again till it shows up thus telling us what is broke :)

                            However if it remains then we need to start digging a little more. If you can take a HD pic of your controller’s component side I can cast an eye over it for anything sus.

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                              b0ardski @Lia last edited by

                              @lia thanks for that i'll get pics posted later this evening, after I open it up and rig up the spare battery

                              carving turns all year round

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                              • b0ardski
                                b0ardski @Lia last edited by

                                @lia will upload pics tonite, on the way to last day of the season party at the ski hill.
                                plugged in the spare battery to the control box , unplugging lights button and charge plug made no difference.. the mastic pads on the components felt damp but no sign of corrosion.

                                carving turns all year round

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                                • Lia
                                  Lia GT XR Pint Plus V1 DIY @b0ardski last edited by

                                  @b0ardski Sounds like a sneaky problem. Hope you enjoy the party :)

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                                    Lemur @Lia last edited by

                                    @lia Is that component with the messy soldering some kind of fuse?
                                    I repaired a Xr bms with a blown U1 chip(I249a1) chip, it works with my good Xr 4208 controller, but when I connected the repaired bms to the original controller, the controller would blink blue once and not turn on.
                                    When I connected the charger to the original controller and the repaired bms, the same U1 chip blew again.
                                    Luckily, I had a few new U1 chips around and the solder pads were still intact, with my fingers crossed, I connected the charger to my good 4208 controller and the repaired bms( second repair) and the charging went fine.
                                    I'm just going through your excellent pictures to learn what about all the components on the controller.

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                                    • Lia
                                      Lia GT XR Pint Plus V1 DIY @Lemur last edited by

                                      @lemur said in XR Error 21 (repaired):

                                      Is that component with the messy soldering some kind of fuse?

                                      This one just above the battery connector on the controller?
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                                      That appears to be a 10H10 schottky diode from what I can tell.

                                      I can't find the I249a1 chip, do you have a link for it? Also what version is the original XR running?
                                      Haven't diagnosed a BMS yet but I've got one next to me to look at. U1 being the tiny 8 pin IC below the XT60?

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                                        Lemur @Lia last edited by Lemur

                                        @lia Sorry, I must've have mistyped the U1 chip on the bms, it's I240A1 chip. some kind of current sensor?
                                        The original controller was a 4210-4150, but I had a Owie on it at first, but needed a reboot on the power button to work, so I switched to a Jw chip and that worked great.

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                                        • Lia
                                          Lia GT XR Pint Plus V1 DIY @Lemur last edited by Lia

                                          @lemur Oh I see now. Seems sort of common.
                                          https://www.reddit.com/r/onewheelpint/comments/ia0zkr/fried_onewheel_pint_question/

                                          Oddly the Pint uses the longer one that has a different pinout (page 3)
                                          https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ina240.pdf?ts=1652609679914
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                                          Looking at it the chip amplifies the difference between both sides of the current sense resistor so the main IC can see what the output current looks like.

                                          That being said I'm at a loss as to why it's blowing when hooked up to the correct controller and working instead with an older gen one. If the opposite was true I'd assume some sort of reverse polarity somewhere.

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                                            Lemur @Lia last edited by

                                            @lia These were Pint bms's before I flashed one to 4208, I see the short body chip and the long body I240a1 chips. The boards have different revision numbers.
                                            I dis save the original firmware associa ted with the bms serial numbers.
                                            I have a bms I trying to repair that gets hot by the large chip that shuts down the controller and destroys owie chip. Haha.
                                            IMG_5546-1.jpg IMG_5545.JPG

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