Trace Map Continued
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@lia said in Trace Map Continued:
Finished mapping the traces (I think. I don't see anything I've missed yet)
Still need to tidy up the schematic and find the values for a bunch of components too. The inductors and diodes will not be fun >.>
Is just impressive. If you could make it work, it would be the resurrection of dead XRs...
If you could beef it up (like doing a 18s-20s), and make it much better, then this would be the vesc killer... I would be your first customer
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Put out some feelers to buy a busted controller I can use as a guinea pig. Don't really fancy using a working one unless it's 4210-13 in which case it will be a worthy sacrifice.
@ed_co One step at a time. I'd need to brush up on so much electrical engineering to have any shot at making it work.
Other than the mosfets and driver IC a few of the caps and the primary buck converter U3 would need upgrading to stay in a safe margin. I do have a GT sitting next to me that I could maybe reference
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XR's got what plants crave!
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@notsure Sorry ;~;
I figured since those ones need extra work to mod it's worth testing those. That and I'm interested in those fancy new connectors they added with the extra bracing since I wanna use those too but cannot find them. -
@lia Have you found a buster controller? I guess US is full of them... Here in Europe is a lost cause...
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@ed_co There is one that I might be getting but we'll see, no promises on it though.
I'm over in MN and SF next month for a bit so not sure I'll see any work on it till after that at least. -
I have the donor PCB that @TheBoardGarage has graciously provided (thank you so much ^-^) and I'm back in jolly ol' England (I don't want to be here let me out). I've ordered the V1.1 prototype to start work transplanting the components to:
A - Validate my work
B - Give me a canvas to start making changesIf all goes well I'll do V1.X on a known working unit and then my own personal XR with the fancy new changes.
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Waiting on V1.1 to show up I've already started sinking my lil kitty teeth into the Pint that Mario also sent me (Thank yooou :) ) and I'm already noticing some odd changes between Zagreus (my old resurrected pint) and the fresh one. The bluetooth module is raised on a PCB wafer... for some reason. I assume better isolation from the internal planes on the controller itself or just a bit more space off the chunky aluminium case.
Oddly both have "3.1.3" silked on the one side which I assumed was the revision but maybe not.
The mosfet driver is the same with just a change in the actual mosfets and presumably the passives surrounding it.
Makes me wonder if the GT uses the same one too... in which case upgrading the power of these things might be a case of beefing the mosfets alone then just poking the firmware so it knows how many tins of Heinz it can give.
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I'm gonna be a busy girl this weekend (The LEDs came too)
Did this in purple because white is like 2x for some reason. Didn't want to do black since I might mix them up lol.
It's going to take a while doing the transplant since I'll be measuring each of the passives between desoldering and re-attaching so I can fill in the schematic and get the next revision done as PCBA.
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Progress is slow. I realise I missed C68 which appears to be some sort of filter cap on the front LED side. Oh well. I've measured all the components I swapped and with Nick's help of writing them down as I read them (sped things up a lot) I've got most of the LED side and the current sensing part of the ESC side done ^-^
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@lia great work indeed.
Is that the 4 holes by c68 for the LED riser ?Just thinking in advance for trouble shooting my dodgy LEDs ;)
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@puzz360 It’ll all stock on v1.1 however v1.2 will put the led segments on modules on the reverse. The idea being I want to replace the leds for addressable so a modular approach means choice and an ability to only do a single side ^-^
I’m taking measurements so if you want to pass values of suspected bad parts by me let me know :)
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Painfully slow but more is off, a lot of the chunky connectors and components on the large voltage planes.
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Was sweating bullets with this step...
So far it looks happy from some "kinda sorta not really" scientific measurements to validate no massive mistakes. Got a few diodes and smt inductors to migrate but since I have no way to identify those parts I haven't moved them yet. Everything else got measured so you best believe I have an almost complete schematic for an XR controller.
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I have been so busy it's unreal.
Got headhunted and am doing some CAD professionally (yay) while trying to finish up those LEDs and balance a social life (not doing well at that one).In the meantime look who's been put together.
I did power her on...
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... She didn't boot :((( No blinky flashy light.BUT she didn't catch fire so it's a win in my book. Good thing too since I was using the old "jam the charger in Batt+/Batt-" trick rather than build a battery and didn't want to blow my only XR charger. I'll slip my 30V bench psu in it next time so I can measure the current and figure out more while probing for expected voltages. It looks like the primary buck converter (U3) isn't doing it's job, that or L1 is being stinky.
Either way I need to spend some time diagnosing it properly and not just hiding at the edge of the desk with a pair of safety squints. I am after all a professional ^-^ Got myself a proper docs coat too so I can look all serious while I perform
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@lia Congrats on the professional CAD work :D this is so cool to see work on, hope troubleshooting goes well :33
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@glowkitty Thank you <3
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It lives :3
Undervolting it for testing so I run less risk of killing anything if it goes wrong and also I didn’t want to blow up my XR charger lol. It’s not completing the boot process to give me an error code but I assume if I give it the expected range it may successfully complete the boot process.
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Worked up the courage to use my charger to power it and it’s still powering on but other than getting the basic stats off the internal memory it’s failing to finish the diagnostic check. As such no error code still to confirm it’s awake.
Never seen this before but the board status is literally 0 with no gyro reading which further makes me think it’s stuck trying to complete the diagnostic check. I think the lack of gyro suggests that chip isn’t working correctly and holding it up.
According to FMs own patent the diagnostics occur before any error code is given which makes sense. Thus it must be getting hung up on one of them.
I’ll remove the gyro hip and see if it changes. Failing that I’ll need to start taking other things off like the mosfet driver. Anything that directly interfaces with the STM chip which could be holding up thee diagnostics check.
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Planning on picking this up again as I want to make a better XR but while doing a bit of casual research for another project I found I'm not the only one that managed to clone this PCB.
Take a look at the one on the left and then compare it to the pic of an XR controller on the right.
Bear in mind the current sensing chips beside the motor connector are actually also the same as on the V1/Plus. Everything is the same, down to some of the silk screening.So what is it? It appears to be a controller for an EUC back from 2016. I found the image on a forum (linky). Image courtesy of esaj.
I did a bit of digging and traced the company called HopeMotion whose website no longer exists but archive.org got a few links saved. https://web.archive.org/web/20160308233001/http://hopemotion.com/
The company states in 2013 it "is mainly engaged in the development and industrialization of high-efficiency and energy-saving motors, drivers, and controllers for electric vehicles. The company has a group of high-quality R&D and management teams".
I assume FM either worked with them or had them manufacture their initial runs in which the PCB design got yoinked. The only information regarding the cloned PCB starts in 2016 which is well after the kickstarter for the Onewheel completed and a year before the Plus.Anyone know more about this? Maybe worth it's own topic if there's more to this.
I did initially assume this may have been related to the CES incident back in early 2016 but I couldn't find a connection.
Anyway in other news I've managed to get my hands on a 4212 PCB (for a repair I'll post about another day) so I can work on redoing the design on a more modern layout minus the stuff that bricks modding.
This redesign was more sensibly designed with no need for the large power wires jumping the PCB. Also the motor and footpad sensor connectors got a well needed reinforcement.
