Followup to the Onewheel XS
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@lia Xtra smol or xtra sketchy? i look forward to the test video.
XR's got what plants crave!
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@notsure said in Onewheel XS:
Xtra smol or xtra sketchy?
Made in Sketchup too, so there's a third S... or at least reinforces the second one.
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@lia is that hercules?
edit: lol nope!
XR's got what plants crave!
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@notsure
The Road to El Dorado :)
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Been holding off work on the XS as the jig failure discouraged me for a bit. Worked up the courage (coupled with a few energy drinks) to fix the rail depth jig so it worked better and more reliably.
The depth of the rails are still off by 0.8mm from end to end but I found the misalignment between my 3D printed aligner and the wooden guide I was using. Getting cheap recycled plywood to play ball is causing most of the grief especially when I'm drilling along the layers which always redirects my drill. I think with enough clamping force I can get around that ;)
Anyway with the better jig my routing has gone from chattery to pretty smooth. Left is the last cut I did with the new jig and right is the old jig before it failed.
Still using the 1st version of the printed bumpers which have minimal detail. Probably will resin print the final parts so I can get the finer details and a much cleaner surface finish. I almost always print at 0.3mm layer height with a 0.4mm nozzle so at this scale things look kinda crap.
Because I eyeballed the footpad it's not as accurate as I'd like. Haven't even sanded out the chunk at the front that interfaces with the bumper yet and probably won't for this one. Don't own a CNC mill which would make light work of this however even a small one probably makes too much noise for use in a flat. Having a spindle going for a few hours is bound to accumulate noise complaints proportional to the dust I create. That said if anyone has experience or used a "quiet" enough small CNC mill/router I'm all ears.
Pretty lucky that they make a 1/2 sized version of the XLR connector. Wouldn't have enjoyed making my own even with how adorable it is. Look at it... so tiny~!
Need to rout out that 6mm thick aluminium bar to create the axle bracket. Right side will be easier than the left as I want to cut a square hole in that on to key into the square U channel that interfaces with the motor hub. Also still shaving off fractions of millimetres to get the 6 cells to fit in the battery box. Might have to cheat and make some non-faithful alterations on top of the ones I've already done. I can get it to fit, just how much I want to stray from the original design is up for debate. That or I find 17650 cells that can deliver at least 15A (Edit at bottom).
Just for this update I trimmed off some axle ahead of time to fit it together. It's friction fit currently so I couldn't actually stand on it (I totally wanted to though)
If I knew for certain FM's legal team wouldn't chase after me I'd probably look at doing 1/2 replica's of existing boards (with accessories) for other floaters to have a miniature of their own pride and joy. Probably non-functioning since that's what is taking all my time currently and would hike the price considerably.
Edit : Okay so 17650 (and 17670) cells exist but they're pretty wimpy. However if I just bulge the lid up a bit into the footpad and carve out a recess for it I can use a 4s1p config with those INR-21700-P42B cells as they can deliver 45A continuous which is well over spec downstream of the battery meaning I don't have to worry about overcurrent issues from the battery and just get a 30A BMS to limit the output. Also means I can go up from 11.1v to 14.8v.
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@lia Amazing project! If it was a real rubber tire, what size would that be?
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@lemur Thanks :)
It'd be a daft size. 5.75 x 3.25 - 3
Currently it's made of 2 TPU halves heat welded together at the middle so it's actually not bad at deforming under load.I did want to add the decals but TPU is notoriously bad with retraction so I figured it'd leave that for the second attempt whenever I don't need the printer for 2 days.
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@lia said in Onewheel XS:
Having a spindle going for a few hours is bound to accumulate noise complaints proportional to the dust I create. That said if anyone has experience or used a "quiet" enough small CNC mill/router I'm all ears.
yeah theyre loud as hell. u can try building a custom enclosure using acoustic insulation panels, but its gotta be pretty airtight.
XR's got what plants crave!
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@notsure An enclosure is probably a must especially for the dust that'll inevitably get kicked up. I like what that guy did, very fit for purpose. I'll keep that in mind, might even use some foam like that in the server/printer cupboard.
Shame there aren't many maker-spaces in the UK, they usually have kit like that or at least are happy to have them at the location. I see a lot in various states that are always kitted with some pretty useful kit that you'd rarely find outside a business.
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@lia said in Onewheel XS:
shame there aren't many maker-spaces in the UK
business opportunity perhaps? it would probably need to be pretty urban locale tho. low mkt volume in the sticks probably. a lot of room for improvement on that guys setup obviously. but the sound mitigation report is what i liked about it.
XR's got what plants crave!
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@notsure Milton Keynes is a few miles down the road which would be ideal since it's huge and very urban. Future endeavour maybe if I'm still floating around on this island and not elsewhere.
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@lia gym-like subscription model would be profitable assuming sufficient demand. single-use fee structure would be more difficult to predict. the mkt is capped tho on the higher end bc the more affluent ppl can just replace or pay others to repair stuff. that ties back into the sub model which allows others to contract their services using ur infrastructure. u need them to sign a waiver tho indemnifying u of legal liability. IaaS in a nutshell.
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Started a little bit on the light bars, they'll be only 74x6mm so not a lot of room to work with.
Did a bit of prototyping which worked fine enough, never been good at soldering these little LEDs because I usually melt them before the solder. However I still had my big tip attached (the bulldozer) and that worked fine.
Forgot how bright these can be and shone it right in my face on testing...
Trouble is hand wiring these traces along with some tiny resistors on the back to stop them frying isn't an option so for the 4th time I tried to figure out how to use EasyEDA (PCB design software)
3 additional attempts and a few youtube videos later and I managed to make it. Went from 5 white and 4 red down to 4 white and 3 red to make the design less dense, save on power and give me less tiny components to solder >.>
Off to JLCPCB to fabricate the board aaaaand
HOW MUCH??!?!
The most economy of economy deliveries will do guys, 8-14 business days for $3.94 will be fine thanks.So I guess I can get on with other things while I wait. Got the rail axle mount template ready to start cutting that out and eventually brazing to the rail itself.
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Both proud and embarrassed about the axle bracket. Got one done but.... it took like 2 hours to do D:
That said it came out really well and works~
Doesn't look bad right? for 2 hours it's not a lot but it's worth it.... however I still need to make another but with a U shape cut into it to fit the keyed U channel on the left side. That is going to be a bit of a pain but I think I can do it with the tools I have :)
Put it onto the current prototype and it's really starting to look the part. BMS showed up too so I can get to work connecting up the cells, balance leads and arranging where it will all go. I'll need to add a few mosfets into the battery housing to switch the power on and off because the power button I'm using won't handle 30A.
Cut the motor wire to length and got the connectors sorted. Motor sensor connector has been keyed by leaving the pin beside the red lead empty which would usually be a temp pin if used.
Just before sumbitting this a parcel arrived.... the power button I ordered like... 2 months ago showed up!!!
Needs a bit of modifying but it mostly fits and if you don't look at it too long it looks like the stock one. And yes... it does have a blue led in it to illuminate the ring around the button ;)
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Edit : Didn't think this needed to be another separate post so appending today's progress :)
Made a press form to create the controller lid. it takes a 150x100x1mm aluminium sheet and forces it into the shape of either side of the form. Usually you'd use a hydraulic press for this but I don't have one, so my bench vice will do.
Took quite a while to get it to take shape, doesn't come off on camera too well but the deformation is about 1.5mm to create the shape. Will do the battery box which has a much deeper shape too it because of the cells but I need to do this with 150x150x1mm aluminium to make sure I can retain the shape properly. Will create a template to cut these to shape after.
Did the right axle bracket minus the cutout for the keyed U channel because that needs the scroll saw which another jig was waiting to be printed.
As of now it's getting there. Made some cell spacers and taped the cells together ready for welding at some point later.
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I tamed my scrollsaw and managed to cut the tiny U slot in the axle bracket then made minor corrections with some tiny jewellers files. Very very snug, I was concerned I would need to braze these together making dissasembly a bit of a puzzle however it's so snug that there is no play.
Managed to cut the lid of the controller and drill the holes out, genuinely happy with how it's beginning to look.
Redid the controller housing with 0.1mm layer height so it's capturing a lot of the minor details I needed for it to work. Sadly I left support on for the logo which I couldn't remove so I've left it there assuming this won't be the final version.
Tapped the holes in the lid, will probably have to extend the material there like on the stock one since there isn't enough for the threads to last many uses.
Inside I moved the battery voltage rail below the VESC because pins were getting too close to the lid for my liking. Fortunately I had room to have that run below between the handle bit and the PCB mount posts.
Ignore the mis-alignment on the front pad, I'm redoing that later.
Wanted to complete the battery this weekend but ran out of time D:
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@lia That is a work of art! Great job!
I think I missed it somewhere, is the motor from a e-skate? -
@lemur Really appreciate that :)
Correct, it's a 74mm 200w Esk8 motor what originally had a PU cover on it for the wheel. Here's an old pic of it before I encased it fully inside the hub shell.
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On reddit I've had a few people genuinely think the XS will be something they could use properly. I admire their optimism and praise of my work but I don't think they realise just how small half scale is.
(No banana for scale, sorry not sorry)
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PCBs came for the headlights so will solder those up tomorrow (hopefully) :)
Min quantity was 5 so I have 3 spares for now.Also had the desire to make the charger so spent a few hours making a replica of that in Sketchup~
Will use a USB C interface in place of the normal C8 (figure 8) mains connector. Printed the top half and it came out okay.
Also you can see I re-did the battery housing and rear bumpers in 0.1mm layer heights which makes a huge difference to the surface finish and detail retention. Also printing the bumpers upside-down helps a lot with making the "Onewheel" wording show up albeit hard to see through camera.
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EDIT : Nevermind I had nothing else to do and flowing solder paste is quiet (minus my cursing as I burn myself). First time ever using solder paste and using the hot air part of my solder station properly. I don;t think I did too badly :)
Here's a vid of me testing it. Didn't have a 3.3v supply handy so I just borrowed an old Arduino Uno I have laying around to pinch it's 3.3v rail. I realy should buy a decent lab bench power supply but all the ones that have voltage and current ranges I want are hella pricey.
Connector is temporary, just needed something easy to poke a jumper into for testing :)
Originally I was going to drive these off 5v but the drop required to get the LED's running at a proper voltage meant the resistors would have to be much bigger. At the time I was using more LED's so didn't have space. I could go back to 5 white 4 red but I think this is fine for the scale version.
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@lia Literally drooling over this project and the most fascinating one i ve seen to date. You must make a limited run of these cause i'm pre-ordering NOW with the money FM did not take from me yet .
Aka "Vommbat"
