VESC configuration, what is your ideal VESC budget/configuration with BOM?
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The other day I saw a guy in the vescify discord putting his budget and I was amazed about how much now a DIY costs:
600 - Torque Pack Battery 250 - TorqueBox 70 - Torque Bumper 35 - Badger bumper 25 - Badger bumper hardware 300 - superflux Hub 110 - Enduro Tire 250 - platysense footpads 225 - ennoid xlite 24 300 - Lil Foc'r v3 725 - Varial rails - Wiring / Connectors - Controller Box - Charger - Power plug - On/Off switch2890$ and still missing things!! And this is in US$, in EUR will be far away worse... The GT is cheap!
My minimum start point configuration would be (althought I think the price is ridiculous all with importing/shipping):
450 - XR Hub (appox price) 379 - Little focer 66 - Flowglider MK2 kit for controller box 80 - Controller box printing 275 - Ennoid BMS (any cheaper 20s options compatible welcomed) 250 - XR battery 2nd hand 175 - XR battery box 65 - XR Bumpers (going cheap) 250 - Kush footpads ??? - Front footpad sensor (car seat, stompies, XR/pint sensor)Which is almost EUR2000 and I am missing things for sure...
What do you think?
What is your ideal configuration and BOM?
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My hope is that this all gets just a little bit more cookie cutter and the StokeLife people start buying these things in bulk at retailer prices, then assembling them for people with a single mark-up. Even with that, it will be a while before the prices are lower than a GT.
Also, I am not 100% on the legal ramifications of my hope. It is possible that building a made-to-order board like this all assembled is legal (vis-a-vi FM's patents), it is also possible that it is not.
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@biell said in VESC configuration, what is your ideal VESC budget/configuration with BOM?:
... StokeLife people start buying these things in bulk at retailer prices...
StokeLife services are just in the US, I guess, right? Not all the world lives in US...
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@ed_co Technically there is one in Canada, but your point is valid. I was just using StokeLife as a generic term for PEV repair shops. StokeLife or other, I am hoping PEV repair shops start putting these parts together and selling finished (but still custom) products.
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@biell LOL, precisely I was leaving in Vancouver for 3 years (just came back to Europe on January). And Eevee's, was just end up being more for PEVs centric and an overpriced shop with articles that you usually have cheaper online, and they just had very limited services and products. So I can say that is just US. The rest of the world looks like is based on having luck if any geek near where you live likes onewheel and offer his/her services... Which where I live are NONE... Sadly
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@ed_co said in VESC configuration, what is your ideal VESC budget/configuration with BOM?:
Which where I live are NONE... Sadly
opportunity knocks perhaps?
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@ed_co Hey I live in Vancouver and I resemble that remark. Hahaha
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@notsure said in VESC configuration, what is your ideal VESC budget/configuration with BOM?:
@ed_co said in VESC configuration, what is your ideal VESC budget/configuration with BOM?:
Which where I live are NONE... Sadly
opportunity knocks perhaps?
I am very busy with my work, buddy
@lemur said in VESC configuration, what is your ideal VESC budget/configuration with BOM?:
@ed_co Hey I live in Vancouver and I resemble that remark. Hahaha
The world is very small :) (although much bigger than US, LOL)
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@ed_co said in VESC configuration, what is your ideal VESC budget/configuration with BOM?:
I am very busy with my work, buddy
have u tried neglecting ur family and personal hygiene?
XR's got what plants crave!
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@notsure said in VESC configuration, what is your ideal VESC budget/configuration with BOM?:
have u tried neglecting ur family and personal hygiene?
This, it's why I live alone ;)
(I do want a cat or 2 though...)
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@lia said in VESC configuration, what is your ideal VESC budget/configuration with BOM?:
(I do want a cat or 2 though...)
i already pictured this.
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@swinefeaster yeah i dont blame you. considering how hard u ride i would prefer something reliable. those kiilguards are sweet tho. PnP vesc is coming. no fiddling ever again (hopefully). almost makes too much sense.
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@notsure lol even when pnp vesc is a fact it will be far from trouble free. Sooo much work to be done. I simply can't waterproof my board cause i gotta open it up all the time for all kinds of reasons. Failing components being just a part of it.
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@maciak PnP vesc on the hardware side may be viable, but pnp with a preprogrammed vesc will lead to litigation.
I've been through many vesc firmwares and the present one from Surf and VM's setting are the best to date, but still a work in progress.
I can change settings now with the Vesc tool for ios (new app) since I have a Iphone. The mobile Vesc tool was only for android previously. I had to remove the footpad before to change settings, now I can change settings while on a test ride and see what each change does. -
@notsure I actually meant litigation from injured people on pnp vecs boards. If you sell a preprogrammed vesc controller and someone gets injured then perhaps you can get sued.
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@lemur said in XR Error 16 (repaired):
@notsure I actually meant litigation from injured people on pnp vecs boards. If you sell a preprogrammed vesc controller and someone gets injured then perhaps you can get sued.
ah i see. yeah for sure lol! thats a certainty tho. thats going to happen regardless.
XR's got what plants crave!
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@notsure
To start with i have been testing Surf's unreleased firmwares for over a year now. So lots of times it would be too much to handle for the board integrity or components as i pushed it to limits and had interesting findings to tweak. Atm the newest fw works awesome but now it's more about hardware configuration, limitations and fitment.
Now the lfoc3 canbus ic died. Not certain the ennoid bms killed it or not. If so, we're looking at trouble when the TORque packs ship out cause they all will work with the ennoid.
I might receive an 84v capable rEscue soon, so then it's looking at how to fit this in the box and make it work over canbus along with the bms....continuous wip.Aka "Vommbat"
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@lemur The newest fw is awesome. Still got a test file with the yaw based turntilt but as rain continues can't test it. I honestly do like a loose board that makes the rider work a bit too;) so not sure if i will use that option. Opening my board is more hardware related atm, getting the components to work reliable and figure ways to make the unit as robust as possible.
I said it before: we still need to find out how long/well a (properly) assembled and configured Vesc board will hold. Basically we have no MTBF yet.. -
@maciak said in XR Error 16 (repaired):
I said it before: we still need to find out how long/well a (properly) assembled and configured Vesc board will hold. Basically we have no MTBF yet..
Do you have the feeling that will not hold well? I have no reason too think that the lfoc3 could be at the level of a onewheel circuitry. It is supposed that shaman is crazy testing his stuff. oobviously there are more components but this is the heart. Not talking about the Ennnoid BS, because this guy is just nuts... and I would keep it out of the discussion.
Maybe the weaker part could be the boxes? -
@ed_co For starters my can-IC died. Why? This should not be easy to mess up. Flux on discord messed up 4 of them until he found out it was a faulty BT module.
Soon we will start a guinea-pig offensive on Field weakening. That's right; pad up, go out and take it like a champ for the team. So not sure what this will do to the focer.
Note for the ones not aware: Field weakening uses the back-EMF of the motor to overclock the rpm of the hub. Today i tested it without load @ 85% max dutycycle.
Without it the board reaches 48kph (i have done 46.8 while riding and hit pushback there at 85% dutycycle).
Using field weakening the board reaches 64kph at same dutycycle!!Also im not a big fan of the jst-ph connectors. The plugs become lame after some unplug/replugs and they hang upside-down so...
Soon i will try rEscue. Provided i can make it fit, also not known if this will mess with the focer.
BMS: It is important this thing can at least show us cell balance status and pack temperature. But who will make a usable one?
Battery: will the vesc really protect pack as setup? How long will it last until cells start to degrade?
Hub: How long will the hypercore be able to take the vesc-style control?
All together as a system any of these components can degrade it instantly. There is zero fail-safe and coasting is no option so...time will tell.
The boxes..they will improve as people test different materials. Sometime soon we might find a usable filament. Im not into this so will consume once it's out there.
