DIY W Rails
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Yes - butt joint - that's the term! I could have came out with smth clumsy like "edge-against-edge" in further explanation efforts.
Saw in FB few months back as someone did his own TailRails (aka 7 Second Rails) out of OG rails the same method. Leaving the enormously robust seam inwards the channel to somewhat "support" the joint. It is not clearly known if the solution proved any right over time. Rather left questions.
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@Lia (or anyone), do you know the angle for official, TFL WTF rails? I have always known my nose was high on my CBXR, but I rode it like 90% of the time, so I just got used to it. But, now I am riding my GT a lot, and the angle is kind of annoying. I also can't ride it backwards because it feels like the board is pointing down at slow speed and almost like I don't have pushback at high speed.
I leveled my board until the app said the angle was 0.0°. Then, I used a bubble level app on my phone to measure the angle of my rails, and they come to 1.77°. I think WTF rails are 3.5°, but that just comes from measuring pictures. So, I am wondering if finding a set of WTF rails used from someone upgrading to varials might not just be a perfect solution. It shouldn't make a difference, but I was on Mission when I did the tests.
Alternatively, does anyone know of a way to recalibrate the board to understand what true 0.0° is?
Thanks for any help people can provide. I am hoping to get my answers here so I don't have to post to reddit.
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@biell I based mine off some side-on images and got 3.7° of tilt so I imagine it's around that.
Other than the WTF tilt kit which is TFL's aftermarket lid that corrects the angle you would want to find a way to shim the controller to angle it in the housing whilst maintaining contact between the lid and controller so it can sink heat into it still.
I think @MacIak had some luck DIY'ing a setup.
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@lia You know... For the right amount of counter-simping I could be convinced to send you my WTFs when I get my Varials. ;)
"... We've been trying to reach you about abandoning the OW as a platform, and convert to EUCs."
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@lia Yep, I measured multiple images and kept getting between 3.5 and 3.7 so it must be in that range. The largest images I could find are 1000x1000 and in a lossy format, so not the most accurate.
I don't know that I have the skills to build a reverse TFL plate. I was hoping there was some magic thing you could do to reset the controller's understanding of level. I might post to Reddit and see if someone else knows of a way to get it to recai.
Thank you.
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@biell said in DIY W Rails:
@Lia (or anyone), do you know the angle for official, TFL WTF rails?
@MacIak has 2 WTF rails (and in really few time, Varials), I guess he can measure whatever you need
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@samuraipunch said in DIY W Rails:
For the right amount of counter-simping
Never any good at that.
Only ever managed Gold Nova 1 in CounterStrikeSimping : Global Offensive ;)As tempting as it would be my online flirting wouldn't be fair to wifey. Already has to tolerate a lot of my nonsense.
Which varials did you order btw? Those look pretty cool and useful for tire swaps.
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Surfdado thinks it is 4.2° here: https://youtu.be/dXDav1OefNM?t=357
I have decided, at least for now, that the WTF rails aren't sufficiently close to my 1.77° that I would be able to ride in Mission. So, if I can't ride Mission, I might as well see if I can fix it with Custom.
Yesterday I went on a long ride at -1,-1,6 and that is surprisingly close to Flow on a GT for my board. I am not sure what Aggressiveness is closer to Mission, but the extra bump past mid helped the board lift the nose faster going uphill and keeping me from bottoming out in steep inclines. I guess, I was essentially riding in elevated all the time before.
I will probably play with Carvability -2 to 1 and see if a Stance Profile of like -0.8 or so is better.
If anyone has any ideas on the closest custom shaping to Mission, I would be interested in reviewing that. When it came out originally, I only played with it for a short period before deciding that Mission was just better.
Thanks in advance.
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@biell Custom shaping will never be Mission. I played with so many settings but the weird surging just does not feel right. Now i just use plain Mission and ride level at pushback;)
The angle as i measure is 4deg. Have no digital gauge, just by hand.
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@maciak Thanks, I agree, Mission is by far the best shaping. And, thanks for measuring.
I've known something was off for a long time, I stand on my tip-toes on my rear foot when waiting for traffic lights, to even things out. I also can't ride the board backwards b/c it is 3.54° in the other direction from what I am used to. But, I just dealt with it before.
My Plus is fine, but pushback starts so early on that thing, it wasn't that much different. But, now with the GT being level until 19MPH, the 1.77° on my XR is just really annoying and different.
I will try Reddit, and if they are no help, reach out to some Stoke Life people to see if I can fix it so I can go back to Mission. Alternatively, I could redo the repair on my 4208 and swap back down to that one.
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@biell -- Riding pushback all the time on my Plus I put in a thick board for the back footpad and it helps.
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@s-leon Actually it does lol. PB on + is a pita
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@biell You could get a tiltkit or just diy tilt the controller? Needs about 4-5mm. It creates a different set of problems though. The TFL tiltkit killed a bunch of controllers (how is it kept silent?!). I suspect cause of a capacitor getting squeezed into the bottom of the box which i found out during own experimenting. I asked/adviced Jeff. He tactically avoided answering any questions about it.
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@maciak I am afraid my skills might not be there for that. Also, I would have to tilt the other direction, which might mess up how the connectors line up with the holes in the back of the controller box.
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@biell Darn, looks like i misunderstood the whole thing! So you want the controller side to point down while in mission?
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@maciak I actually want the controller to point straight/level in Mission. My controller is messed up a little. When the Onewheel reports at being 0.0°, the front is actually up 1.77°. Essentially, if I am set in my preferred Mission mode, it is like I am riding Elevated. I can fix this with custom shaping by setting the ride angle at -1. When I do this, my board rides level-ish (I think level would be -0.9). But, I prefer Mission.
Originally I thought, what if WTF rails were at a 2° angle? Then, I could put my jacked up controller in them and ride perfectly without having to get the TFL controller lid replacement. But, with WTF rails at more than 4°, that isn't going to work. I would still need custom shaping.
I was also wondering if there was a way of re-calibrating the board, but I doubt there is because then people with WTF rails would have just done that. I also don't know if the issue is in software or hardware.
I had been ignoring this issue for the last couple years because I was used to it, with most of my riding on my XR. However, now I am riding my GT as much, if not more than my XR. So, the raised front became harder to ignore. Right now I am at -1,-1,6 and it feels a bit like Flow on the GT.
If you have any thoughts or ideas, I am definitely interested in suggestions.
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@biell Maybe not quite what you're after but u/Izzymonster just posted "Titled Controller Box, work in progress. Appreciate any feedback from experienced tilt kilt installers."
https://www.reddit.com/r/onewheel/comments/uh03xd/titled_controller_box_work_in_progress_appreciate/ -
@biell When my board with WTF is level, the app shows -3.7 deg. So assuming WTF are 4.2 deg, it would mean that it would be sitting nose-down by 0.5 deg on straight rails for the app to show 0. When the board is really level, this would be -0.5 in the app.
So your board still deviates 1.27 deg extra..
The pcb is mounted under the lid with 3mm spacers. You could remove (or replace with shorter spacers) the front ones which will not mess too much with the connectors (opposite tilting also puts them at an angle which is no problem).
Edit: see img when i tilted the frontside
Only thing is the thermal pad, and if anything on the underside of pcb gets pinched against the lid.. gotta see if there's any issues there. I think this could work.
Edit: maybe not..there's lotsa stuff in the front that could be pinched against the lid without any spacer. Need to open to really see?!
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@lia Thanks, depending on how this shapes up, it could be a starting point for me. Either by trying to make the angle less with WTF rails or by flipping it for straight rails. It will also depend on if it is sold as a product or provided as an STL.
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@maciak Thanks, I thought about that but was worried about the thermal pad. If you learn something there, please let me know. I haven't opened the controller since I decided this was a problem, so I also want to take a look at the board to see if something looks wrong on there, too.
