Right to repair stuff
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After Kyle's reponse, Louis Rossmann wants to reply:
I just hope, that will be respectful and useful.
It is true that there were a lot of BS on Kyle's words, so I feel it will not be very nice.
We want to get something from it, not a stupid war.
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@ed_co Must say that yesterday's video was completely fair.
I hope this can change things, and I hope FM could consider it and start talking with the customers.
If Wren from Corridor Crew and Adam Savage end up doing something for the R2R movement, maybe we could have a chance... -
@ed_co I haven't watched that yet, only Louis's recent retraction regarding the motor serialisation however as you say an open dialogue with FM would be worthwhile.
They already know what we're asking but actually taking the time to flesh out grievances either side would be more productive than the one sided convos FM and ourselves have been having recently. It just encourages the animosity that people are becoming more proud of with every new justification for prejudice that crops up.
Like even if FM would simply come out and explain precisely why certain things have to be the way they are without resorting to questioning our capability to repair the boards would be better. Much prefer a "Yeah there are suits waiting in line to sue already, opening up repair will likely make that line longer" reads much more acceptable than "you'll cause a house fire, no repair for you".
If they're open about it the right to repair movement can focus on other legislation that doesn't make right to repair a litigation minefield for them in the future. Cooperation between us all will lead things forward.
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@lia Cooperation has to have reciprocity. If just one side is willing for it, obviously it will never work. And it looks like all Kyle's replies, lies on justification, without being specific, trying to calm down, and just give the image of cooperation, but not a realistic one.
If Wren and Adam, could cooperate with the R2R, then maybe, and just maybe, we could have a minor chance. For me, just the image of "we are open", not being for real, is just BS. Kyle's reply was pure BS. Just a show. Even talking about the only good thing he said (sellint tires), looks BS, as there are no signs of it whatsoever.
Even though, I am not closed for cooperation, but I will not be blind for just magic trickery to look cool, like the latest firmware they released, which along some traction from youtubers makes people forget about everything thinking FM is so amazing... I just hope people realize. Just time will tell.
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@lia said in Right to repair stuff:
Wren actually drops into the stream later on (1:57:44) and mentions he's spoken to Adam privately and FM but would like to speak with Kyle and discuss matters so it sounds like things might be in the works.
Do we know something more about this? It looks it fade away...
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John Deere did it today. Kyle Doerksen ought to be next.
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@sirgu Unfortunately, they didn't really do it. If you read the fine print, the MOU doesn't require them to provide much, they still have lots of "outs". Also, and most importantly, the MOU disables the AFB from engaging in activities in support of R2R legislation. We need legislated R2R, with consequences for corporations which fail to comply, and this makes getting that just a little bit harder.
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@biell mou's arent legally binding tho.
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@notsure Yes, but that isn't the point. If the AFB even slows down their efforts, it is a win for JohnDeere. And, JohnDeere can always stop selling parts and shift the blame to the AFB, then too. Doing so would shield them from a press nightmare, and possibly pull membership from the AFB; if the AFB is lobbying against JohnDeere, then they want to sap as much membership dues from the AFB as possible.
There are no end-states in corporate mind think, only controlling the speed and/or direction of the proverbial pendulum. If it is shifting against them, slow it down first, then try to change the direction. If it is shift for them, speed it up, unless it looks like its going to change direction, then slow it down.
