XR resurrection
-
@vulkito What happened to the pictures of the bms, I can't see them.
-
@lemur i hve a couple of pics in my cart already hehehe. But now the question would be if i can install a new pic (flashed with an old firmware revision) and would work (+owie). I would say that the hardware at logic level is the same (but i do not have a board to compare). If this is the case i can search for a 4209 firmwware and test. The bms is already out, soooo i guess there is nothing to lose xD
-
@lemur i can see them on the link. Does it guve you any kind of error?
-
@vulkito Oops, didn't click on the link.
-
Ok, some news:
C33, c34 and c35 are ok. Removed from the pcb to try to isolate the short with no luck (at least i measured the cap values).
I desoldered gnd from the 1786 and looks like that this one is not shorted either. I still have a short between gnd and vcc, so either the pic is shorted or i think i should go to the voltage regulator (which i have to look for on the power area). This sounds promising… (i’m starting to lose faith…) -
@vulkito It'll show itself soon enough.
It's not a great method but if it doesn't reveal itself you could try the "Owie Test"?
(not to be confused with the Onewheel BMS modding project OWIE)Using a low voltage (lowest voltage present on the board to minimise additional damage just in case) fed into the problem power rail you can then run a finger over the PCB till you feel something very warm. That'll likely be the shorted component.
In the worst case a replacement BMS using the previously mentioned OWIE chip can break the serial lock and allow a board to function again.
-
@lia thank! That is actually a great idea! I’ll try tomorrow and will let you know ;)
-
Ok, after injecting V to the rail with my power supply the limitation was triggered and nothing was hot. I connected everything back (batt and controller) and turned the ow on. Error 16 came up and the max was really hot compared to the rest of the components. I guess we got the culprit. Now we’ll see how the replacement goes. I’ll keep you posted!
-
@vulkito Good find, which component was it getting hot?
-
@lia was the max battery management chip (max 14921). I wasn’t expecting that…
-
I reveived the parts! I’ll get to work tonight. Finger crossed!!!
-
Replaced max ic, installed missing capacitor. E16 is gone! Which means that max ic and pic are supposed to be ok.
However, the OW only stays on when plugged. As soon as i unplug the charger it turns off. I see that the area on the top of the balancing connector gets hot, but that’s a bunch of resistors mostly… -
@vulkito Congrats on the progress!
Unplugging the charger causing it to turn off is normal, does it not want to power on at all when the power button is pressed?
-
@lia correct; once the charger is unplugged the ow does not turn on. Which i’m still thinking why could this be possible. The only thing i can think of is that the bms is not allowing the voltage to pass to the controller for some reason (which should be related with comms i think… but that’s a noob assumption xD)
-
And i’m actually stuck on the ics from the upper side of the balancing connector (i want to check them since there is a lot of heat in there). The only thing i can see on the silk screen is M8t, which if i search looks like it is a sOT-23 and these ones have 6 pins, so it is not the same thing. I saw one that has 6 pins but it is a 9V voltage regulator, which i think it is not the same one. Finally i found a 2N7002PS which has M8% marking (% for the manufacturer site code) and is a 60V,320mA Mosfet. This one could be an option but i’m kind of guessing here. Any ideas out there? If it is a mosfet the pins should be grouped (3-2-1 maybe?) i should take a look to that… but tomorrow; time to go to bed xD
-
I actualli saw a post about M8t … hahahaha viva la search!!
-
@vulkito Before that you may want to try manually triggering the BMS into an on state.
The wire harness is prone to damaged cables, if the blue one breaks it loses the ability to power on via the button.On the bms try connecting briefly the blue wire to the black wire. Those being the ones in the below image I borrowed from Reddit.
This will simulate the button being pressed. If that powers up it might just be the harness. @Lemur had similar with the purple wire in this post.If not then it’s likely the BMS still.
-
@lia thanks! I will try that tonight and see how it goes. Something also weird is that when i plugged the charger it showed 100% charged on the app; but i know that it wasn’t at 100% (it’s been disassembled for two months or so)
-
@vulkito I had a problem with code 16 on a friend's board once and that one turned out to be the vp1786 transeiver chip.
-
@lemur thanks! Actually error 16 is gone (hopefully for good!). Now the board only stays on when plugged.
Taking into account that what i´m experiencing now are power issues i decided to not to plug the board again for now (I don´t know if i can burn any other thing) and take a look into the main MOSFETs. SO:
On the left side we have the 240N10F7 and looks good. But on the left side I found what apparently is a 20N08N5 MOSFET that is gone. I took a look into the resistance and are pretty low:
D-G: 2.4k
D-S: 0.2
G-S: 2.4k
S-D: 0.2
G-D: 2.4k
S-G: 2.4kWith these low values I thought that maybe I turned on the MOSFET when measuring on the gate because I have the same resistance between D-S and between S-D, but I put the negative of the multimeter on it to try to turn it off (just in case) and the values are still the same as above. In any case the rest of the values are also pretty low I think; G-S and D-G should be on the MOhms and are 2.4kOhm. I´m not still confident because when I plugged the OW the other day i didn´t feel any of the MOSFETs getting hot and a short as I´m seeing now could turn that component into a frying pan. I should have the short elsewhere.
On the other hand this maybe could explain those power issues. I´ll keep checking things and once checked i will connect everything and short the blue-black wires on the connector and also will measure voltage values on the MOSFETs.
