@lemur appriciate the looking out. I hit a wall this week with the microchips. They are from 2.0.7 revision so im guessing the chips are locked out from erasing. They pass and write properly according to mplab. Tired 3 i had around and all three lied about success. Im gonna have to replace the 1788 with a new blank one. Orderd them yesterday and will update when everything comes in. My board is on 4212 and already have a owie inline so the only issue is the fw.